I never said the United States is not a body corporate, but the United States has never been the States of the perpetual Union. Under the AOC United States is a committee or delegates, one form each State to do make laws for the territory owned by The United States of America. Of course, the only way you are going to know this is understanding the four organic laws of The United States of America. United States and The United States of America are not now, and have never been one and the same.notmartha wrote:Mine in black, Michael's in red:Just a bit of digging and the truth (assuming the Journals are accurate) is revealed. The "United States" were not some "future States" as Michael claims.“Them” qualifies “United States” as plural, referring to the independent states as a collective. It may be plural, but the fact remains that this is not talking about the free and independent States of the Perpetual Union If they do not refer to the collective of the perpetual union/confederation of independent states, which collective of states do you think they refer to? The future States of the United States under the NWO and Constitution.
RESPUBLICA v. SWEERS 1 U.S. 41 (1779)
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federa ... /case.html
In 1778, defendant was charged with defrauding the United States by forging two bills. Defendant’s claim was that the United States did not yet exist as a matter of law. This was the court’s reply:
The United States existed as a body corporate from the time the colonies banded together in association on October 20 , 1774. This has nothing to do with United States, but the Continental Congress.The first exception was, 'that, at the time of the offence charged, the United States were not a body corporate known in law.' But the Court are of a different opinion. From the moment of their association, the United States necessarily became a body corporate; for, there was no superior from whom that character could otherwise be derived. In England, the king, lords, and commons, are certainly a body corporate; and yet there never was any charter or statute, by which they were expressly so created.
From Bouvier’s 1856:The foregoing association Nothing in the link says anything about the association being the United States. being determined upon by the Congress, was ordered to be subscribed by the several members thereof; and thereupon, we have hereunto set our respective names accordingly.
In Congress, Philadelphia, October 20, 1774.
Signed,Peyton Randolph, President.
New Hampshire
• Jno. Sullivan
• Nathel. Folsom
Massachusetts Bay
• Thomas Cushing
• Saml. Adams
• John Adams
• Robt.Treat Paine
Rhode Island
• Step. Hopkins
• Sam: Ward
Connecticut
• Elipht Dyer
• Roger Sherman
• Silas Deane
New York
• Isaac Low
• John Alsop
• John Jay
• Jas. Duane
• Phil. Livingston
• Wm. Floyd
• Henry Wisner
• S: Boerum
New Jersey
• J. Kinsey
• Wil: Livingston
• Stepn. Crane
• Richd. Smith
• John De Hart
Pennsylvania
• Jos. Galloway
• John Dickinson
• Cha Humphreys
• Thomas Mifflin
• E. Biddle
• John Morton
• Geo: Ross
The Lower Counties New Castle
• Cæsar Rodney
• Tho. M: Kean
• Geo: Read
Maryland
• Mat Tilghman"
• Ths. Johnson Junr.
• Wm. Paca
• Samuel Chase
" A corporation, or body politic, or body incorporate, is a collection of many; individuals united in one body, under a special denomination, having perpetual succession under an artificial form, and vested by the policy of the law, with a capacity of acting in several respects as an individual, particularly of taking and granting property, contracting obligations, and of suing and being sued; of enjoying privileges and immunities in common, and of exercising a variety of political rights, more or less extensive, according to the design of its institution, or the powers conferred upon it, either at the time of its creation, or at any subsequent period of its existence."
BTW, The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America did not exist in A.D. 1774. On November 15, A.D. 1777, the Article of Confederation was created to form the Confederacy "stiled" The United State of America, not the United States (see Article 1 AOC). And yes the people of The United States of America created United States (Congress), not to make laws for them as free inhabitants, but to make laws for the territory owned by The United States of America.