Leo Strauss's Interpretation
Leo Strauss was one of the most influential and controversial political philosophers of the 20th century. His method focuses on the following: Esoteric writing: Strauss argued that the great philosophers of the past (including Plato) hid their deepest, most radical messages "between the lines" to protect themselves from government persecution and to avoid destabilizing society.
Critique of Historicism: In contrast to the charge of ahistoricism, Strauss criticized modern historicism (the idea that all truths are relative and dependent on their time). He believed that we can and should understand the ancient philosophers just as they understood themselves, seeking timeless truths.
The debate over whether Strauss's interpretation illuminates or distorts Plato remains an open and intense field of debate among contemporary scholars of political science and philosophy.
Elon Musk, Technocracy and the New World Order
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Leo Strauss's Interpretation
Leo Strauss was one of the most influential and controversial political philosophers of the 20th century. His method focuses on the following: Esoteric writing: Strauss argued that the great philosophers of the past (including Plato) hid their deepest, most radical messages "between the lines" to protect themselves from government persecution and to avoid destabilizing society.
Critique of Historicism: In contrast to the charge of ahistoricism, Strauss criticized modern historicism (the idea that all truths are relative and dependent on their time). He believed that we can and should understand the ancient philosophers just as they understood themselves, seeking timeless truths.
The debate over whether Strauss's interpretation illuminates or distorts Plato remains an open and intense field of debate among contemporary scholars of political science and philosophy.
Leo Strauss was one of the most influential and controversial political philosophers of the 20th century. His method focuses on the following: Esoteric writing: Strauss argued that the great philosophers of the past (including Plato) hid their deepest, most radical messages "between the lines" to protect themselves from government persecution and to avoid destabilizing society.
Critique of Historicism: In contrast to the charge of ahistoricism, Strauss criticized modern historicism (the idea that all truths are relative and dependent on their time). He believed that we can and should understand the ancient philosophers just as they understood themselves, seeking timeless truths.
The debate over whether Strauss's interpretation illuminates or distorts Plato remains an open and intense field of debate among contemporary scholars of political science and philosophy.
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Re: Thiel’s Straussian moment
In case you missed it, here it is again...
Firestarter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2026 7:33 amhttps://lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 352#p88352Firestarter wrote:It's obvious that this idea of misleading the masses through myths wasn’t only through political propaganda but also through religiosity.
That Neoplatonists influence (and even founded) Christianity and Islam suggests that these organisations were founded to keep the lower classes under the tyranny of the elite through “noble lies”.
When I searched the internet for a connection between technocracy and neo-Platonism, I found an interesting connection to the brainwashing techniques of Skinner, but this wasn't the link to neo-Platonism I was looking for..Firestarter wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2026 5:34 pmThe Esalen/MKULTRA connected psychologist B.F. Skinner developed and promoted a technology to change behaviour for widespread “social reform” (mind control). In 1948, Skinner published his utopian novel “Walden Two”.
Skinner’s efforts were part of a larger social engineering network that included the Technocracy Movement of the 1930s. Skinner’s desire to engineer society with a technology to change behaviour was a social-scientific expression described by the Technocracy Movement.
Then I specifically looked for writings by LaRouche rehasher Matthew Ehret, who a couple of years ago was widely promoted by the Putin-loving alternative media, but for the last year ignored (blacklisted?).
I found Ehret’s following essay that details the connection I suspected (the second link contains some excerpts from the last part of the essay that’s for subscribers only).
In 2007, Peter Thiel published ‘The Straussian Moment’. Thiel later became a member of the steering committee of the Dutch royals’ Bilderberg Group, and wants us to believe that the technocratic open prison is ‘liberty’, and the “antichrist” opposes the technology that makes the complete enslavement of the masses a reality…
Thiel describes himself as a follower of the neo-Platonic philosopher Leo Strauss (1899-1973), who migrated from Germany to France on a Rockefeller Scholarship, and then became a leading academic in the US after being sponsored by Harold Laski (head of the London Fabian Society). During his long teaching career, Strauss groomed a generation of Trotskyites like: Irving Kristol, Albert Wohlstetter, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, becoming the Godfather of ‘Neoconservatism’.
Thiel also paid hommage to Nazi jurist Carl Schmidt’s theories of executive command and control of society under ‘crisis management’, who promoted ‘The Noble Lie’ outlined by Plato in The Republic as a necessary tool of control of the masses, who must be kept in a dream state through myths crafted by a high priesthood to maintain order in society.
Thierry Meyssan writes in “‘Russia declares war on the Straussians”:.The Straussians began forming a political group half a century ago, in 1972. They were all members of Democratic Senator Henry “Scoop” Jackson’s staff, including Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz. They worked closely with a group of Trotskyite journalists, also Jewish, who had met at the City College of New York and edited the magazine Commentary. Both groups were closely linked to the CIA, but also, thanks to Perle’s father-in-law Albert Wohlstetter (the US military strategist), to the Rand Corporation (the think tank of the military-industrial complex)
Thiel praised how enlightenment philosophers John Locke and Thomas Hobbes demanded that philosophical debate over truth be banned (due to the “disruptive nature” to the social order). So their libertarian “freedom of speech” is really … banning the truth:.In a capitalist world, violent debates about truth—whether they concern questions of religion and virtue or questions about the nature of humanity— interfere with the productive conduct of commerce. It is therefore best for such questions to be eliminated or obscured.
Thiel discusses John Locke’s use of the abbreviation of ‘X’ which influenced the name of Huxley’s X Club and the X Club in Silicon Valley a century later:.In the place of human nature, Locke leaves us with an unknowable “X.” This awareness of ignorance provides the low but solid ground on which the American Founding takes place. The human “X” may have certain wants and preferences, but nobody is in an authoritative position from which to challenge those desires. And so, in a somewhat paradoxical manner, the unknowability of “X” leads to classic liberalism and the very strong assertion of the different rights that belong to that unknowable “X”: the freedom of religion, for we cannot ever know what people are truly thinking in the temple of their minds; the freedom of speech, for we cannot irrefutably criticize the way people express themselves; the right to property and commerce, for we cannot second-guess what people will do with the things they possess. “Capitalism,” concludes Nobel laureate Milton Friedman, “is simply what humans do when they are left alone.
In “Straussism: The Philosophy Directing The Age Of Tyranny’” Jan Allen writes:https://web.archive.org/web/20251025013 ... irect=trueThe only way a political order can be stable is if it is united by an external threat. Wealth, freedom, and prosperity make people soft, pampered, and depraved. War is an antidote to moral decadence and depravity. Thus war is held to be redemptive and perpetual war is necessary. Straussians believe in an aggressive, belligerent foreign policy for a world order dominated by U.S. military power. Neoconservatives see foreign policy as a means to fulfill a "national destiny", as Irving Kristol defined it in 1983, that goes far beyond the narrow confines of a “myopic national security.
Technocrats like Bezos, Musk and Thiel were explicitly attempting to implement the theories of John Locke and behaviourist psychiatrist B.F. Skinner.
John Locke influenced Jeremy Bentham’s system of ‘scientific controls’ or a ‘hedonistic calculus’.
..Firestarter wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2026 7:28 amAready in the 18th century, Jeremy Bentham came up with the idea of the panopticon (panopticon derives from the Greek word for "all seeing" – panoptes). While our wonderful media describe the panopticon as an idea for actual prisons, in reality this concept, where big brother can 'see' us at any time, is a way to make our whole brave new world into an open prison.
Between 2005-2009, the President of In-Q-Tel, Michael Griffin, was a favourite among the PNAC Straussians implementing the technocratic surveillance state after they had staged 9/11.
Griffin was appointed as the Administrator of NASA where he directly oversaw the ‘New Space Movement’, under which space research and engineering would be managed by private billionaires.
The ‘Third Way’ was a modified re-hashing of Strauss’ interpretation of Plato’s Allegory of the Cave, which posited that societal equilibrium should be maintained like a population in a cave believing that their perception of shadows cast by a managerial elite was the only reality that existed: https://archive.is/Zcqur
Matt Ehret was apparently influenced by the LaRouche conspiracy theory on Leo Strauss and the Bush jr. administration from 2003: https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2003 ... straus.pdf
For some reason internet “search” engines block my posts: https://ronpaulforums.com/threads/googl ... 090/page-6
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Re: UAE. Saudi Arabia, Sudan
.Firestarter wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2026 5:42 pm Apparently all the well-known 'conspiracy theorists' whine about not being allowed to criticise Jews, Israel and Zionism. While 'nobody' talks about the UAE royals, with more money than brain cells.
The UAE criticises Israel as a distraction strategy, while being as Zionist as Trump's USA, and paying billions to Zionist 'think tanks', and Israeli intelligence firms to build their surveillance state.
Could these be the posts that the troll farm wants to cover up by derailing 'my' threads?!?
.Firestarter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 04, 2026 10:08 pmIt’s amazing how often shortly after I post something, news gets published with similar keywords, which then helps me find the scandals they are trying to cover-up…Firestarter wrote: ↑Sat Jan 31, 2026 9:53 pmEllison is also one of the key players in the takeover of the US version of TikTok. In which the biggest shareholders will be:
Oracle (that has been storing TikTok US data since 2022), led by Ellison - 15%;
MGX, from the UAE (where else?), led by UAE’s national security adviser Tahnoun bin Zayed Al Nahyan - 15%
.viewtopic.php?p=88119#p88119Firestarter wrote:Trump’s crypto firm World Liberty Financial got a $2 billion investment from a firm backed by the UAE government.
Zach Witkoff — son of Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff and founder of World Liberty Financial — announced the deal accompanied by Eric Trump. The Emirati firm, MGX, will be using World Liberty Financial’s “stablecoin” to make a deal with Binance, the world’s largest crypto exchange
Apparently preceding the $2 billion, UAE Sheikh Tahnoon bin Zayed Al Nahyan’s “purchased” 49% of Trump’s cryptocurrency company World Liberty Financial for $500 million – 4 days before Trump was crowned for the second time.
The investment made Tahnoon‘s Aryam, World Liberty’s largest shareholder. The deal placed 2 Aryam executives on World Liberty’s five-person board - Martin Edelman and Peng Xiao.
Edelman is a New York real-estate lawyer, who advises the Abu Dhabi royal family and sits on the board of multiple Tahnoon companies, including G42 and MGX, and is a longtime friend of Witkoff.
In 2024, a Republican committee chairman said that Xiao was behind an “expansive network” of UAE and China-based companies supporting Chinese “military-civil fusion and human rights abuses” (no Emirati “abuses”?!?).
Tahnoon met Trump and Steve Witkoff several times in the White House and soon got access to 500,000 advanced “AI chips” a year.
On Trump’s first day in office, Donald announced the $500 billion Stargate project, by OpenAI and SoftBank at the White House, which included Tahnoon’s MGX: https://archive.is/ztSao
This is also connected to the following:.Firestarter wrote: ↑Thu Jan 01, 2026 8:57 pmIt was strangely ignored by most that the United Arab Emirates (once again!) was also involved in launching Project Stargate. Besides in the UAE, Stargate data centers are planned in the UK, Norway and Japan.
The UAE AI firm G42, Oracle, SoftBank Group, OpenAI, Nvidia and Cisco in a partnership will build the "UAE Stargate" data center, which is expected to open already in 2026.
As for the scandals they want covered up… which show really how our technocratic overlords plan to weaponize these data centers…
Tahnoon bin Zayed has led several spying and smear campaigns…
The UAE’s Project Raven spied on other governments and human rights activists, including through hacking phones and computers.
Project Raven started in 2008 as DREAD, developed by Richard A. Clarke through his advisory group Good Harbor Consulting for UAE de facto dictator Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan.
.viewtopic.php?p=81837#p81837Firestarter wrote:Richard Clarke tipped off Bin Laden’s high-ranking UAE and Saudi friends, preventing the capture or killing of the terrorist mastermind.
In September 1994, high-ranking UAE and Saudi government ministers, including UAE dictator Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan (!), Abu Dhabi royal Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al-Maktoum and Saudi minister Prince Turki al-Faisal, started bird hunting trips in Afghanistan, with Bin Laden:
During the Rwandan genocide of 1994, Clarke advised then–US Ambassador to the UN Madeleine Albright, to request to withdraw all UN troops from Rwanda.viewtopic.php?p=6315#p6315Firestarter wrote:The people most responsible for atrocities in the region—unprecedented human bloodletting, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide—are protected. These include Yoweri Museveni, Salim Saleh, Paul Kagame, James Kazini, Moses Ali, James Kabarebe, Taban Amin, Jean-Pierre Bemba, Laurent Nkunda, Meles Zenawi… a long list of people whose culpability is without question, many of whom have been named for atrocities again and again. U.S. Special Operations forces know what happened and should be deposed under oath in a legitimate International Criminal Court, which at present does not exist, and is not in the making. Ditto for Madeleine Albright, Anthony Lake, Thomas Pickering, Susan Rice, John Prendergast, General William Wald, General Frank Toney, Walter Kansteiner, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Holbrooke, Roger Winter, Frank G. Wisner, Andrew Young… another short list.
By the end of 2010, Karl Gumtow’s CyberPoint replaced Good Harbor in Project Raven.
Between 2012 and 2015, Raven teams hacked into rival governments, including Qatar over winning the right to host the football World Cup: https://web.archive.org/web/20230413133 ... hitehouse/
Near the end of 2015, the UAE cybersecurity firm DarkMatter was contracted for Project Raven, with some CyberPoint staff moving to DarkMatter.
Its surveillance targets included Americans, which implicated its American staff in unlawful behaviour.
Project Raven monitored the internet for mentions of DarkMatter.
Project Raven’s target lists included not only authors, but also others connected to that person.
This gives a glimpse on how data centers that store everything about us will be used…https://theintercept.com/2019/06/12/dar ... intercept/also the “author’s boyfriend, girlfriend, or brother … two or three hops out” from the original target. The idea was to hack anyone who might be communicating with the target, Cole said, and to “go get anyone you can to get a foothold in this organization” in order to spy on their sources, as the source put it.
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If targets traveled to the UAE, Project Raven would take advantage of their proximity, at times going so far as to break into a target’s room, explained the hacking team source: “If they’re in country we just go to the service provider and say, ‘Hey, we need … access,’ [or] poison their wireless access at a hotel.” This source said that Project Raven tasked members of the Emirati State Security Department to “dress up as cable guys, do fake repairs, be in a hotel where you needed to be, swap out your laptop charger for one that looks similar” in order to compromise a target’s devices.
Coincidentally I previously posted....Firestarter wrote: ↑Fri Jan 02, 2026 11:07 pmSee another picture of Odin, one eye, in red with a cape and a yellow sun, with 2 ravens, 18th century.
Tahnoun bin Zayed Al Nahyan also hired the Swiss intelligence company Alp Services (led by Mario Brero) for smear campaigns against Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood in Europe, particularly in France.
The French Roland Jacquard worked for Alp Services and the Emirati secret services. Jacquard has done the rounds in the media as an 'expert' on Islamist radicalism.
In emails, Jacquard provided secret information from the top of the French government. He supplied information that came from the security services and even President Macron himself. In September, October 2020, Jacquard told his Emirati contact that he had “private” meetings with Macron, Macron’s advisors, PM Jean Castex, interior minister Gérald Darmanin and justice minister Éric Dupond-Moretti, about a new law against radical Islam.
Alp Services reportedly also generated news reports to criticise a Geneva prosecutor, at the request of a mistress of former Spanish King Juan Carlos.
In 2018, Macron's former bodyguard Alexandre Benalla started to work for Alp Services’ Mario Brero, after Benalla had been dismissed from the Élysée: https://web.archive.org/web/20230307174 ... ing-france
Macron’s personal bodyguard Alexandre Benalla and another employee, Vincent Crase, were caught beating up peaceful protesters in Paris: https://ronpaulforums.com/threads/macro ... rs.524680/
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Firestarter wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2026 9:16 amLooking for more on Project Raven, I found the following…Firestarter wrote: ↑Wed Feb 04, 2026 10:08 pmAs for the scandals they want covered up… which show really how our technocratic overlords plan to weaponize these data centers…
Tahnoon bin Zayed has led several spying and smear campaigns…
The UAE’s Project Raven spied on other governments and human rights activists, including through hacking phones and computers.
Project Raven started in 2008 as DREAD, developed by Richard A. Clarke through his advisory group Good Harbor Consulting for UAE de facto dictator Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan.
In 2007, the UAE approached Mati Kocahvi’s company 4D Security Solutions to build a ‘smart’ surveillance system in Abu Dhabi. Mati Kocahvi’s AGT International won the $6 billion contract.
Mati Kochavi is an Israeli arms dealer, billionaire, spy and Holocaust movie producer.
In 2016, Kochavi provided the UAE with FalconEye, a collection of cameras and artificial intelligence sensors to implement practically total surveillance of the UAE.
In 2011, the UAE contracted CIA veteran Larry Sanchez to expand the UAE’s intelligence apparatus.
DarkMatter’s offices are only 2 floors away from UAE’s intelligence agency, the National Electronic Security Authority (NESA).
DarkMatter’s senior vice-president of technology research was formerly employed by NESA.
Simone Margaritelli described how a representative described how DarkMatter works:.Imagine that there’s a person of interest at the Dubai Mall, we’ve already set up all our probes all over the city, we press a button and BOOM! All the devices in the mall are infected and traceable.
In April 2017, DarkMatter signed a Memorandum of Understanding with Huawei for “Big Data” systems and “Smart City” solutions. Huawei is praised by communist China for its role in the Belt Road Initiative (BRI). One of the BRI’s signature projects is Ecuador’s national emergency system for which Huawei developed surveillance equipment, facial recognition technology, and wireless access controllers.
The UAE played a pivatol role in building Saudi Arabia’s owns surveillance capacity for which the UAE connected the Saudis to the Israeli NSO Group. Saudi Arabia acquired a similar system as what the UAE is using.
As part of the deal, Saudi Arabia acquired the hacking software Pegasus, which it used to hack journalist Jamal Khashoggi’s phone prior to his murder, as well as (other) “dissidents, enemies and political opponents”: https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-u ... uads-23805
(https://archive.is/qef8A)
.https://lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4182#p4182Firestarter wrote:Flynn also joined the advisory board of OSY Technologies, part of the NSO Group, a cyber weapons dealer founded by former Israeli intelligence officials. Flynn also consulted for Francisco Partners, an American private equity firm that controls NSO. According to Steve Eisner, general counsel of Francisco Partners, Flynn had served the company in a relatively limited advisory role.
It is odd that the Western media ‘forget’ to report that similar totalitarian surveillance systems are used all around the developed world, which I think should concern us more than what is happening in the Middle East (your own government is spying on you, helped by all the smart fools walking around with the surveillance equipment called cell phone!)…
The New York Times reported that the app ToTok was “used by the government of the United Arab Emirates to try to track every conversation, movement, relationship, appointment, sound and image of those who install it on their phones”, and was removed from the app stores of Google and Apple.
Because ToTok doesn’t encrypt messages end-to-end, the company can read the messages. ToTok’s Privacy Policy explicitly states that they collect “Address Book Data” and “Messages”. While this is as bad as it sounds, popular communications tools have similar architectures to ToTok, so these corporation “could” likewise read messages and listen in on VoIP calls. Popular examples include Gmail, Google Hangouts, Facebook Messenger, Telegram, and Twitter.
For some reason the writer of this interesting essay argues that this isn’t anywhere near as bad as ToTok, because they are ‘private’ companies (ignoring that these companies were founded with the help of intelligence agencies!).
The essay does show suspicious connections from ToTok to UAE’s National Security Advisor Sheikh Tahnoon bin Zayed al-Nahyan, a brother of Abu Dhabi’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed.
ToTok’s developer was listed as “Breej Holding Ltd”.
Breej Holding’s sole director was listed as Hasan Mohamed Saif Hasan Alremeithi. Hassan Al-Rumaithi (a.k.a. Hassan Alremeithi) is Sheikh Tahnoon’s adopted son.
See Sheikh Tahnoon bin Zayed with Hassan Al-Rumaithi.
ToTok Technology’s sole director is Osama Hussein Saleh Hussein Alahdaly, whose address is listed as the address for Royal Group UAE, Sheikh Tahnoon’s holding company.
“Group 42 Holding Ltd” appears to have created the ToTok app, based on YeeCall, a VoIP app from a Chinese company..
Group 42 is a UAE-based AI company, whose CEO is the former CEO of Pegasus LLC, formerly a division of DarkMatter Group. Pegasus LLC was renamed to “PAX AI”, and is now a division of Group 42. Group 42 appears to have created ToTok as an app called “G42 IM”.
Group 42’s sole director Hamad Khlfan Ali Matar Alshamsi is “Public Relations Manager at the Office of H.H. Sheikh Tahnoun Bin Zayed Al Nahyan”.
Group 42’s CEO is Peng Xiao, former CEO of DarkMatter Groups’s Pegasus LLC division. DarkMatter of course hacked dissidents for Project Raven.
Martin Pegman was transferred from DarkMatter to Group 42.
Sheikh Tahnoon was linked to a hack of UAE activist Ahmed Mansoor’s computer in 2012: https://medium.com/@billmarczak/how-tah ... 6c06c93ba6
(https://archive.is/kmvKM)
Apparently the UAE also employed an assassination team to kill political opponents in neighbouring Yemen, with connections to Project Raven,https://lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 314#p88314Firestarter wrote:In early 2016, the veteran of SEAL Team 6, Daniel Corbett, was hired for the assassination team in Yemen. Corbett was later hired by Raven Military.
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I guess that ‘they’ don’t want you to find out that Qatar funded the Hamas terrorists at the request of Netanyahu.https://lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=2716Firestarter wrote:Netanyahu has explained how to use Hamas and supposedly even asked Qatar (that seems to be made into some sort of pariah state over the reporting of Al Jazeera) to fund Hamas…
So in December 2023, the UAE’s Project Raven produced documents to blame Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu of taking millions of dollars from Qatar (which our media called “Qatargate”).
Supposedly to help make Qatar more popular. With Israel and Netanyahu unpopular around the world, this seems absurd to me: https://web.archive.org/web/20240814052 ... cle-809030
Of course it’s also absurd to think that Project Raven is a reliable source for information. I think that they made up these documents out of thin air (I haven’t seen the documents in the tales I’ve read about them by the way)…
While the UAE and Qatar posing as enemies is rather convincing, the last year they’ve also been trying to convince us that the UAE and Saudi Arabia have become enemies.
This includes the story that the UAE arms the Sudan RSF militia, while Saudi Arabia and Qatar arm Sudan’s SAF militia.
With the RSF widely condemned for their genocidal practices, the UAE gets a lot of blame for the Sudan “civil war” in which more than 150,000 Sudanese have already died since April 2023 (possibly more than half a million).
The Middle Eastern oil sheiks don’t care about Africans being slaughtered (whether Muslim or otherwise), and I don’t believe at all that this ‘proves’ that the UAE and Saudi Arabia have become enemies.
The UAE and Saudi Arabia TOGETHER started the Sudan “civil war” in 2021 by arming/financing the military coup against Sudan’s “President” Omar al-Bashir (that had been in power since a military coup in 1989): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_ ... 93present)
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Re: Elon Musk, Technocracy and the New World Order
Leo Strauss's theory of "external and internal" writing is indeed one of the most controversial topics in political philosophy. Your observation goes to the heart of the criticism leveled at Strauss, as many scholars agree that he used Plato to establish a rather elitist and cryptic approach to political power.
Let's see how Plato's ideas are connected, where they differ, and where they intersect with Strauss's interpretation. 1. Strauss's interpretation: Writing "between the lines" Leo Strauss, in his seminal work Persecution and the Art of Writing, argued that the great philosophers of the past (such as Plato, Machiavelli, and Spinoza) wrote in two ways simultaneously: External writing: The obvious, popularized message for the general public, which conforms to the laws, religion, and mores of the time. Internal writing: The real, hidden message "between the lines," accessible only to a few and careful readers (the potential philosophers). Why did they do this? According to Strauss, for two reasons: first, to avoid persecution and state repression (as happened with the killing of Socrates) and second, because the deep truths of philosophy are dangerous for social cohesion if they are revealed to people who cannot handle them.
2. The Allegory of the Cave: Plato vs. Strauss Your reading of Plato is historically and philosophically accurate, while Strauss's perspective shifts the center of gravity: Plato's perspective: In the Republic, the prisoners see shadows projected on the wall by "miracle workers" (the holders of power, the sophists and poets of the time). Plato shows that society lives in illusion and deception. His solution is radical: the philosopher must come out into the light (the truth) and then be forced to return to the cave to rule, sacrificing his personal happiness for the common good. Strauss's perspective: Strauss interprets the cave more darkly. He considers that the philosopher's return to the cave is doomed to failure and death. Therefore, the philosopher cannot change society; all he can do is protect himself and philosophy from the "mob". Thus, politics becomes a necessary management of the people's illusions.
3. The “Gentle Lie” and Secretive GovernmentYour view that Strauss attempted to justify a covert, almost “tectonic” type of government is in line with the intense criticism leveled at him, especially by the American left and critics of neoconservatism.Plato and the “Gentle Lie” (γεννειον πσεῦδος): Plato admits in the Republic that an ideal city needs a founding myth (a lie) to hold itself together (e.g. that people were born from the earth and have different metals in their souls). However, for Plato this is done for the harmony of the city, not for the personal promotion of a clique.
The Straussian version: Strauss’s critics argue that his theory instrumentalized the Platonic lie. If the rulers (an elite that "knows the truth") believe that the people cannot stand the truth, then they are legitimately using religion, nationalism, and fabricated external dangers to guide the masses. This approach is strongly reminiscent of secret societies or closed influence groups that operate behind the scenes.
4. Syracuse as a Historical Refutation Your reference to Plato's failure in Syracuse is crucial. Plato did indeed try three times to implement his ideas on the tyrant Dionysius I and then on Dionysius II, even risking being sold as a slave. This failure proves that Plato, despite his idealism, operated "openly" and paid the price for his political naivety. In contrast, the strategy attributed to Strauss avoids open conflict: he does not try to turn the tyrant into a philosopher, but to create advisors who whisper in the ear of the ruler, while remaining in the dark themselves.
Summary
Your intuition is perfectly valid in the context of modern political analysis. While Plato pursued truth as a light that should illuminate politics (albeit in an authoritarian/utopian way), Strauss is accused of turning philosophy into a technology of concealment, justifying an elitist government where the few rule the many through “useful myths.”
Let's see how Plato's ideas are connected, where they differ, and where they intersect with Strauss's interpretation. 1. Strauss's interpretation: Writing "between the lines" Leo Strauss, in his seminal work Persecution and the Art of Writing, argued that the great philosophers of the past (such as Plato, Machiavelli, and Spinoza) wrote in two ways simultaneously: External writing: The obvious, popularized message for the general public, which conforms to the laws, religion, and mores of the time. Internal writing: The real, hidden message "between the lines," accessible only to a few and careful readers (the potential philosophers). Why did they do this? According to Strauss, for two reasons: first, to avoid persecution and state repression (as happened with the killing of Socrates) and second, because the deep truths of philosophy are dangerous for social cohesion if they are revealed to people who cannot handle them.
2. The Allegory of the Cave: Plato vs. Strauss Your reading of Plato is historically and philosophically accurate, while Strauss's perspective shifts the center of gravity: Plato's perspective: In the Republic, the prisoners see shadows projected on the wall by "miracle workers" (the holders of power, the sophists and poets of the time). Plato shows that society lives in illusion and deception. His solution is radical: the philosopher must come out into the light (the truth) and then be forced to return to the cave to rule, sacrificing his personal happiness for the common good. Strauss's perspective: Strauss interprets the cave more darkly. He considers that the philosopher's return to the cave is doomed to failure and death. Therefore, the philosopher cannot change society; all he can do is protect himself and philosophy from the "mob". Thus, politics becomes a necessary management of the people's illusions.
3. The “Gentle Lie” and Secretive GovernmentYour view that Strauss attempted to justify a covert, almost “tectonic” type of government is in line with the intense criticism leveled at him, especially by the American left and critics of neoconservatism.Plato and the “Gentle Lie” (γεννειον πσεῦδος): Plato admits in the Republic that an ideal city needs a founding myth (a lie) to hold itself together (e.g. that people were born from the earth and have different metals in their souls). However, for Plato this is done for the harmony of the city, not for the personal promotion of a clique.
The Straussian version: Strauss’s critics argue that his theory instrumentalized the Platonic lie. If the rulers (an elite that "knows the truth") believe that the people cannot stand the truth, then they are legitimately using religion, nationalism, and fabricated external dangers to guide the masses. This approach is strongly reminiscent of secret societies or closed influence groups that operate behind the scenes.
4. Syracuse as a Historical Refutation Your reference to Plato's failure in Syracuse is crucial. Plato did indeed try three times to implement his ideas on the tyrant Dionysius I and then on Dionysius II, even risking being sold as a slave. This failure proves that Plato, despite his idealism, operated "openly" and paid the price for his political naivety. In contrast, the strategy attributed to Strauss avoids open conflict: he does not try to turn the tyrant into a philosopher, but to create advisors who whisper in the ear of the ruler, while remaining in the dark themselves.
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Your intuition is perfectly valid in the context of modern political analysis. While Plato pursued truth as a light that should illuminate politics (albeit in an authoritarian/utopian way), Strauss is accused of turning philosophy into a technology of concealment, justifying an elitist government where the few rule the many through “useful myths.”
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Well, of course, not everyone, but many are familiar with the Jewish figure—I don't even know how to characterize him, let's call him Professor LEO STRAUSS—and the problem with his relationship with Plato. He put forward the theory that Plato wrote between the lines to avoid state repression. He mentions Plato's parable of the cave, but gives it a completely different meaning. Plato, with his parable, wanted to tell us that rulers deceive the people, and Plato believed that governments should be governed only by philosophers. He even tried to introduce his system in Syracuse, although unsuccessfully. Strauss—and this is my personal opinion—tried to justify his secretive tectonic government and compared it to Plato.
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4. Syracuse as a Historical Refutation
Your reference to Plato's failure in Syracuse is crucial. Plato did indeed try three times to implement his ideas on the tyrant Dionysius I and then on Dionysius II, even risking being sold as a slave. This failure proves that Plato, despite his idealism, operated "openly" and paid the price for his political naivety. In contrast, the strategy attributed to Strauss avoids open conflict: he does not try to turn the tyrant into a philosopher, but to create advisors who whisper in the ear of the ruler, while remaining in the dark themselves.
Your reference to Plato's failure in Syracuse is crucial. Plato did indeed try three times to implement his ideas on the tyrant Dionysius I and then on Dionysius II, even risking being sold as a slave. This failure proves that Plato, despite his idealism, operated "openly" and paid the price for his political naivety. In contrast, the strategy attributed to Strauss avoids open conflict: he does not try to turn the tyrant into a philosopher, but to create advisors who whisper in the ear of the ruler, while remaining in the dark themselves.


