Dragon society

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Re: Dragon society

Post by Firestarter » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:35 pm

I found an interesting, but overlong Wikipedia page on the Scythians. My main problem is that it’s filled with contradictions.

On the one hand Wikipedia claims that the Scythians were a large group of nomads that were blue- (or green-) eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired, originally from Iran.
On the other hand Wikipedia writes that the term Scythian, like Cimmerian, referred to a variety of groups from the Black Sea to southern Siberia and central Asia - a variety of peoples. In this version, Scythians were nomads that lived in the steppes of which the west was near the Black Sea and in the east went all the way to Mongolia, the north of China (2,500 miles from east to west and between 200 and 600 miles from north to south). This would explain why dragons are so important in Chinese culture.
This version might explain why De Vere would use a whole bunch of names to describe the “dragons”, which could refer to different types of people within the Scythians (dragons).
This would indicate that the area that I found as “Scythia” was only the west part of the area where the dragons (Scythians) lived.
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The Scythians first appeared in the historical record in the 8th century BC; Heroditus reported 3 versions of the origins of the Scythians. Ancient Greek historians wrote about Scythians who lived north of the Black Sea and the Caucasus Mountains.
In the 7th century BC the Scythians with the Cimmerians frequently raided the Middle East.
Wikipedia dates the Scythians from about the 9th century until the 1st century BC, but doesn’t make clear what happened after that.
The classical Scythians may have disappeared by the 1st century BC, but Eastern Romans continued to speak of "Scythians" for Germanic tribes or mounted Eurasian nomadic barbarians.

There are results of aDNA calculators that confirm a link between the Iranic speaking people of South-Central Asia, the people of the northern regions of West Asia and Eastern Europeans.
The western Scythians were ruled by a wealthy class known as the Royal Scyths. The Scythians controlled a vast trade network connecting Greece, Persia, India and China.
Iron Age Scythians were a mix of Yamnaya people from the Russian Steppe and East Asian populations, similar to the Han and the Nganasan (from northern Siberia).
The Scythians used cannabis to induce trance and divination.

From large burial mounds (up to 20 metres high) we have learned about Scythian life and art. Scythian tombs reveal traces of Greek, Chinese, and Indian craftsmanship. These burial mounds were named kurhán or kurgán, from the Turkic word for "castle” (which indicates a Turkish origin…).
In 1968, the Tillia Tepe was uncovered in northern Afghanistan. This included the following gold head wear, with dragons (dated around the 1st century BC).
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The greater part of the west Scythians are called Daae, but those who are situated more to the east are named Massagetae and Sacae.
The Scythians were warriors (instead of farmers). They "fought to live and lived to fight, and drank the blood of their enemies and used the scalps as napkins”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians
See the knive sheath with swastikas…
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Here’s a PDF on the study of ancient nomadic cultures in Eurasia (2002): http://www.geochronometria.pl/pdf/geo_21/geo21_17.pdf
This research is focused on the chronological investigations of ancient nomads belonging to the Scythian cultures which occupied the steppe and forest-steppe zones of Eurasia during the 9th-3rd centuries BC.
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The tribes are traditionally connected with the Scythian cultures which have different names in different regions of Eurasia: the Scythians in Europe, the Suoromathian in the Lower Volga River Basin and Southern Ural regions, the Tasmola in the Transural regions and the different mosaic cultures in Altai, Southern Ural and Central Asia.
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The Lower Volga nomads have close relations with European Scythians to the West. They also have many similarities with the nomads of the Aral Sea region, Kazakhstan and Southern Siberia to the East. Now we present the first 14C dates for the monuments in these regions (Table 1).
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Since the 9th-8th centuries BC the Scythian cultures began to appear on the wide territory of the steppe and forest-steppe zones of Eurasia. Now there are some monuments, which, according to the radiocarbon dates, can be demonstrated to be synchronous to the Arzhan royal barrow. The ages of monuments located in the Lower Volga River basin, the Urals and Transurals regions are more synchronous to the Pazyryk group barrows.

The Wikipedia page on the Scythians also references an article that seems to confirm that Ashkenazi “Jews” originate from Turkey, and are descendants from the Scythians.
According to geneticist Eran Elhaik, the word Ashkenaz comes from the ancient Assyrian and Babylonian name for the Scythians - Ashguza. He places the original homeland of the Ashkenazi Jews in north-east Turkey and a region to the north of the Black sea.

Three still-surviving Turkish villages – Iskenaz, Eskenaz and Ashanaz – were part of the original Ashkenazic homeland.
Over 90% of the ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews are Greeks, Iranians and others who colonised what is now northern Turkey more than 2000 years ago and were converted to Judaism. Around the first few centuries AD, the Persian Empire was home to the world’s largest Jewish communities.

From the 690s AD onwards, because of anti-Jewish persecution by the Christian Byzantine Empire, large numbers of Jews fled across the Black Sea to a more friendly state – the Turkic-ruled Khazar Empire with its large Slav and other populations.
When the Khazar Empire declined in or around the 11th century, some of the Jewish population migrated west into Central Europe.
The genetic modelling was based on DNA from 367 Jews of northern and eastern European origin and over 600 non-Jewish people mainly from Europe and western Asia: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien ... 92076.html

In the Tenach (Old Testament) and the New Testament, Scythians are mentioned 3 times.

2 Maccabees 4:47
Insomuch that he discharged Menelaus from the accusations, who notwithstanding was cause of all the mischief: and those poor men, who, if they had told their cause, yea, before the Scythians, should have been judged innocent, them he condemned to death.
3 Maccabees 7:5
These friends also drove them along in chains, treating them harshly as slaves, or rather, as traitors. Without any investigation or trial they attempted to destroy them, displaying a cruelty more savage than the barbarians from Scythia.
Colossians 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
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Re: Dragon society

Post by Firestarter » Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:54 pm

I’ve found an article with 10 interesting facts about Scythians.
Scythians wore tattoos as a sign of their nobility. These days it’s very “hip” to get a “cool” tattoo (in imitation of the Dragons?).
A strange tale is that when the Scythian warriors faced an army of Amazon women, they defeated them not by fighting, but by seducing them (with their irresistible charm?): http://listverse.com/2010/01/05/top-10- ... scythians/


The Greek historian Herodotus (480 - 430 BC) is one of the earliest written sources on the Scythians: https://www.metmuseum.org/pubs/bulletin ... nnered.pdf
64. In what concerns war, their customs are the following. The Scythian soldier drinks the blood of the first man he overthrows in battle. Whatever number he slays, he cuts off all their heads, and carries them to the king; he forfeits all claim if he does not produce a head. In order to strip the skull of its covering, he makes a cut round the head above the ears, and, laying hold of the scalp, shakes the skull out; then with the rib of an ox he scrapes the scalp clean of flesh, and softening it by rubbing between the hands, uses it thenceforth as a napkin. The Scyth is proud of these scalps, and hangs them from his bridle-rein; the greater the number of such napkins that a man can show, the more highly is he esteemed among them. Many make themselves cloaks, like the sheepskins of our peasants, by sewing a quantity of these scalps together. Others flay the right arms of their dead enemies, and make of the skin, which is stripped off with the nails hanging to it, a covering for their quivers. Now the skin of a man is thick and glossy, and would in whiteness surpass almost all other hides. Some even flay the entire body of their enemy, and, stretching it upon a frame, carry it about with them wherever they ride. Such are the Scythian customs with respect to scalps and skins.
65. The skulls of their enemies, not indeed of all, but of those whom they most detest, they treat as follows. Having sawn off the portion below the eyebrows, and cleaned out the inside, they cover the outside with leather. When a man is poor, this is all that he does; but if he is rich, he also lines the inside with gold: in either case the skull is used as a drinking cup. They do the same with the skulls of their own kith and kin if they have been at feud with them, and have vanquished them in the presence of the king. When strangers whom they deem of any account come to visit them, these skulls are handed round, and the host tells how that these were his relations who made war upon him, and how that he got the better of them; all this being looked upon as proof of bravery.
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70. Oaths among the Scyths are accompanied with the following ceremonies: a large earthen bowl is filled with wine, and the parties to the oath, wounding themselves slightly with a knife or an awl, drop some of their blood into the wine; then they plunge into the mixture a scimitar, some arrows, a battle-axe, and a javelin, all the while repeating prayers; lastly the two contracting parties drink each a draught from the bowl, as do also the chief men among their followers.
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106. The manners of the Man-eaters are more savage than those of any other race. They neither observe justice, nor are governed by any laws. They are nomads, and their dress is Scythian; but the language which they speak is peculiar to themselves. Unlike any other nation in these parts, they are cannibals.

In the St. George chapel, home to the Order of the Garter, the sword, helm, crest, crown, heraldic banner and coat of arms for each member is displayed.
See the crest of a green snake (dragon) of the Duke of Devonshire (Andrew Cavendish).
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On the roof of St. George chapel, 76 statues representing the 14 heraldic Queen’s beasts are shown, including the lion and dragon.
Also in Hampton Court Palace, the Royal beasts are shown, see the Red dragon of Wales.
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In Oxford (home of the legendary University), there is a Dragon School: https://www.dragonschool.org/the-school/welcome.html
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Re: Dragon society

Post by Firestarter » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:32 pm

I’ve found 2 good (mythological) stories on dragons on the Gnosticwarrior.com site – Cadmus and Warmians.

Cadmus
Cadmus consulted an oracle in Delphi, which ordered him to give up his quest and follow a special cow, with a half moon on her flank, and build a town on the spot where she would lie down exhausted.
At the moment that Cadmus intended to sacrifice the cow to Athena, some of his companions were slain by the spring's guardian water-dragon at the nearby Ismenian spring. Cadmus in turn killed the dragon.
Athena then told him to sow the dragon’s teeth in the ground, from which sprang a race of fierce armed men, called the Spartoi (sown). Cadmus threw stone among them, which caused them to fight one another. When only 5 of them were still alive Cadmus told them to stop fighting. These 5 assisted him to build the Cadmeia or citadel of Thebes, and became the founders of the noblest families of that city.
See Cadmus and the dragon, on an amphora from Euboea at the Louvre (ca. 560–50 BC).
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Cadmus was deeply troubled over killing the sacred dragon, and one day remarked that if the gods were so enamoured of the life of a serpent, he might as well wish that life for himself. Immediately he began to grow scales and change in form. His wife, Harmonia, thereupon begged the gods to share her husband's fate, which they granted.
In another version of this story, the bodies of Cadmus and his wife were changed after their deaths. In Euripides’ The Bacchae, Cadmus is given a prophecy by Dionysus that both he and his wife will be turned into snakes for a period before eventually being brought to live among the blest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmus


Warmians
In Old Prussia (these days called Poland) in the 14th century, there was a mythical dragon king named Warmo who ruled over the Warmians (or Warmi) that lived in Warmia. Warmians translates worm people, a big worm looks like a snake, so one could translate “Warmians” with “serpents” or “dragons”.
According to legend, there once live a dragon there that devoured women, children and animals. Many knights died trying to defeat the dragon, until one knight finally succeeded.
The Warmian tribe was conquered by the Catholic crusaders of “The Order of Brothers of the German House of Saint Mary” in Jerusalem. These were Teutonic knights under the command of the Pope, who converted the Warmians to Christianity: https://gnosticwarrior.com/the-dragon-t ... ussia.html

Orneta (in German: Wormditt) was the small town in northern Poland, in the Warmian Masurian Voivodeship where, according to legend, lived the dragon that devoured animals, women and children.
Wormditt, was first mentioned in 1308: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orneta

Orneta's coat of arms depicts the worm (English: worm or dragon). The oldest image of Orneta's crest is from the sealing wax on a document from 1388.
It represents the dragon biting its own tail.
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